Middleboro Mashpee Wampanoag Resort Casino

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Updated July 12, 2007


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7/2/07 The person who wrote complaining about Hal's report may know most of his neighbors, but she sure doesn't know them all.  As one of us handed bumper stickers to a "thumbs up"  man, he made a point of commenting that he was pro-casino, unlike the "guy next door" with the"No Casino" sign.

At the parade, someone yelled out "Yeah, well it's not in your back yard"

Actually, it will be in my "back yard" - or front yard, I haven't looked at the map to see exactly how my house is oriented, but obviously Oak Point is right on top of this and if there are any traffic or light pollution issues, they would affect us.

Tony Lawrence


I just read Hal's 4th of July parade letter and feel I must comment on what I feel were some incorrect observations.

 

His comment that he counted 8 people aside from those he knew to be active members of CasinoFacts expressing their anti-casino opinion, I live here and know most of the people on this street and to the best of my knowledge none of us are members of the CasinoFacts group.
 

While I do have a No Casino sign on my lawn I will agree that there probably was someone on my lawn saying "yes casino", they are friends of mine and by the way they do not live in Middleboro.

 

As far as people not realizing they were displaying anti-casino signs I know for a fact that the only reason they had a Get the Facts sign instead of a No Casino sign was due to a shortage of the latter.

 

In reference to the two women who don't appear interested in accepting the No Casino bumper sticker. They are my sisters, they are opposed to a casino, they just were in the middle of a conversation when you snapped the photo.

 

The 4th of July parade is the biggest event of the year in North Middleboro and represents all that is wonderful about this town. Anyone can show up and walk/ride/drive pretty much anything, no registration, no fees. It does not surprise me that there were cheers for the pro-casino float, we cheer all entries, even the politicians. I smiled and yelled Happy 4th of July to the pro-casino float while I held my No Casino bumper sticker. While we may not agree on this issue we remain friends and neighbors.

 

Kathy Connolly

Response:

I didn't count people who cheered because they were cheering everyone. Instead I tried to count those who gave a clear indication of support for the casino either by a "thumbs up" or by shouting something like "yea casino". I remove the picture of your sisters.


2 Letters from former Casinofacts supporters

7/2/07

I feel my story needs to be heard.  Casinofact.org needs to stop trying to bully people around.

I would just like to inform the rest of the public of what has happened to me in regards to dealing with casinofact.org. 

I wrote a response to one of the articles written by Mark Belanger who is a very vocal leader of the anti-casino group.  In my response I critiqued his article because he completely contradicted himself throughout it.  After I submitted my article, he changed his blog format and now no one can post a response to anything he writes. 

I am a 22 year old college student and, believe it or not, a leader of tomorrow.  Mr. Belanger completely swept my critique under the rug and ignored it.  Maybe it was because of my age. 

What people need to understand is that there are always two sides to every story and if you are going to take a stand on one side there is going to be critique from the other.  Mr. Belanger has no problem being very vocal when opposing and critiquing the casino, but apparently when he was critiqued he could not handle it. 

There is a bigger issue here.  For the longest time I just watched both sides of the casino debate go back and forth, but now after this experience with casinofact.org I need to vocalize my opinion on the issue. 

The side that is for the casino needs to be more vocal and not get pushed around by the people who are opposed to the casino.  That is why I am posting this on here, to let the public know how I was treated by those who oppose the casino.  On this website, both the pros and cons, about the casino get posted, maybe that is symbolic of the open-mindedness of those who are for the casino.

Josh Porter, student
Northeastern University

 


6/29/07

 

I am ashamed that I was a member of Casionfacts.org when it first started. I thought there would be logical people working with the town and the community to get out there message. I also thought there would be several points of view showing the Pros & Cons of having a Casino in our town but as it turned out, there are some very negative people involved.

I have many neighbors involved in the group who are wonderful people but there is now a growing population who are not for the Casino and definitely not for Casinofacts.org.  I asked one of the members what his backup plan is if indeed they did fail and he assured me that they won’t.  I have also spoken to at least two members from the group who will move if they do not succeed in defeating the Wampanoag Tribe in their attempt to build this. Why would I or anyone else want to support people that are ready to bail out when the hardest work will happen after the deal becomes official? It bothers me to write this because like I said, there are some really nice people trying to fight this but are going to be left disappointed by a few bad apples. They’re even talking about disrupting the Tribe’s spiritual gathering in two weeks which would be as bad as someone disrupting Easter or Christmas mass.

When the proposal first came about I was dead set against anyone coming in and ruining this town. I moved here to get away from the fast pace of the City and all of the noise that goes with it. I have finally become a realist and I know this is going to happen. Yes there will probably be a commuter rail station at the old Rockland Industry site and there will be Limos and tour buses from as far away as Salem down to Hyannis coming here. So here is the question I have: What are the rest of us going to do about it?

How about preserving what we have like Peter Oliver’s Mill.

How about preserving 110 year old hand made bridge that goes across the Nemasket River on Plymouth Street.

What about preserving our Herring run.

Let’s talk about connecting the North side of town to the center of town by raising Route 44.

In closing I would like to add the our house is divided over this but we can sit down, talk and pass ideas back and forth like adults and not bully each other. I believe that other groups will soon immerge both for and against the Casino but will show their respect to the people on the other side of the dispute rather than trying to “Bully” them into their way of thinking.  This is dividing a once friendly town and my fear is we will all have Stockade Fences between us when it is finally over. For the record, I have been “Blacklisted” (There words not mine) from Casinofacts.org because I changed my E-Mail address and couldn’t be any happier. Maybe they should change the name to Casinnegativefacts.org.

Good luck to the nice people of Middleborough and the Wampanoag Tribe.

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Best regards,

Wally Glendye

 

 

6/28/07

I have lived in the area my entire life. (more or less)
This is where i grew up.

I remember when we still had an abundance of Cranberries that overflowed the
Ocean Spray plant.

Where is that now? No tax relief, that's where it is. Middleborough made the decision to take a big hit. It always has. I'd Like to say I'm against the Casino, but Money buys. It can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you tools to learn and grow. What we have now is an opportunity to give the town what it needs. Sure it may look like a wolf in sheep's clothing, but we as a town are severely lacking (financially) in several factions that we citizens often take for granted.

The police and fire department.

Do they really need all that new gear and new vehicles and more staff? Yes.

The school system.

We are running quite well aren't we? No. We are running on what we have (whichis not much) we could be running much better. Think of your children. And those of you who don't have children, or hate children, or those of you who only want your taxes to go someplace that involves you and not the entirety of the community, think of it like this; If we have optimal education in this town, these kids will grow up and give back to the town that has provided for them.
 

However, if they see that their town doesn't care for them, they will care for the town and grow up despising the town that created them and causing alarm for the rest of us (crime and such). Granted that's a big accusation it may not
be far from the truth. We need to educate and care for the children NOW so that we ALL have a brighter future for tomorrow.

The library.

See above.

Garbage disposal.

(Didn't think you'd see this one huh?) We are so lucky that we pay NOTHING for trash removal. It is one of the MANY reasons my family moved here in the first place. Without a good solid source of income, you may be handling your "crap" on your own.

Middleborough Parks Dept.

This is one that is nearest and Dearest to me because this is where i was every summer (Pierce playground). First I played there and learned how to swim and play sports. I learned how to be a better person by being there. It's not a
daycare center, but it is a place to bring children and watch them grow up. I worked there for 8 years after i did my growing up. I changed the lives of many children when i was there. I'd like to think that they too became better people
because of me as I became a better person because of the people before me. Every year Mr. Pickering fights to the death (metaphorically speaking of course) to get more money for this program that has been implemented for as long as anyone can remember. He fights every day of the year for this. This is his life. Why? Because he cares. I, too, care! We all should. we should be grateful there is a safe place to bring our children to watch them grow and to enjoy ourselves.

If you want I can break it all down.

Police/Fire Dept.: More $$ for staff, newer vehicles and equipment to help better our lifestyle and keep it safe. (although I draw the line at public surveillance.)

Library: $$ for more books, maybe a new wing. New computers and tools to better the community and to keep our own history documented and safe for future generations.

Park Dept.: $$ for Pool restoration, staffing, proper training, higher pay for grounds crew, new equipment, etc.

Trash Disposal: I think this one speaks for itself. unless i have to reiterate the fact that you might be living in your own trash in the future.

School system: $$ for more higher educated teachers, educational tools and new gen. equipment such as computers and other technological advances to come in the future.

All this comes down to is money we don't have.

Yes there are concerns about this Casino.

Does one person have all the answers? NO. But we can work together as a community to accomplish something better than what we have. Instead of belittling our rebirth we can help adapt it and advance it.

Let's push forward.

I am all for living in the woods. That's what I love. I just think we need to be up to par with the rest of the world so that we don't have to sell land to Wal-Mart. (that's something that would ruin us.)

J. T. Quake,
University of Massachusetts student


6/28/07

I have lived in Middleboro year round since 1983 and came seasonally since 1955 when the Woods Lake area was primarily summer residents and many of us didn’t even have telephones in our cottages back then.

 In these 50 years I have seen many, many changes to the Town, but I believe the introduction of the Casino represents nothing more than another step away from the sleepy little town it once was, and this is not a bad thing. Middleboro has seen significant growth since the opening of Route 495 and then the commuter rail. Property values have risen, land has been developed and change has just been a fact of life. Krazy days are gone and shopping malls are springing up all around us, Taunton, Plymouth and Wareham (under construction).

 I support the Casino as a revenue generating addition to our Middleboro. I fear that anything else constructed on this same property may not provide any revenue to the Town whatsoever.   

Thomas Morse


6/27/07

As a supporter of the Wampanoags coming to Middleborough and bringing the casino, resort hotel, golf course, etc. we, also, would like our voice heard.  The future of Middleborough is at stake.  We believe the advantages of the casino far outweigh the disadvantages.  We hope an agreement can be signed soon so that the tribe doesn't  decide to walk because of the chaos that has been going on.  The supporters  need to make our thoughts  known along with the very vocal anti-casino group.  It is beginning to look as though there are not as many of them as it appeared.  
 
Thanks for listening.
 
Dom and Ellie De Angelis

6/27/07

 

This town has been in need of an economical boost for quite sometime. We are the second largest town/city area wise in the state yet we don't have a golf course, a decent shopping area or a non fast food restaurant chain...hmmm. Something just isn't right with that picture. Does Middleboro want to be stuck in the 20th century forever...???
 
For many people that live north or west of Boston, Middleboro might as well be part of New Jersey. Most have never been there and the rest couldn't even find it on a map. When asked what they know about Middleboro, they will say that it is the place that constantly has the highest EEE outbreaks every summer or "isn't that out by Northboro and Southboro...?!?!?!"
 
It's time that we lose the "not in my back yard" thinking and grow up as a town!
 
And, for those that have nothing better to do but protest the thought of a resort casino in this town, I hope they are also burning their beloved Red Sox hats, jerseys and souvenirs. Because one of the largest sponsors of the Boston Red Sox is Foxwoods Resort Casino. Hmmm...but, I guess that is all right because it's "not in my back yard!"
 
R. Annino

6/25/07

Although not directly related to the Casino, I happen to be reading Nathaniel Philbrick's "Mayflower", which is the history of the Pilgrims, and of course the Wamponoags figure heavily there.

For local folks, reading about incidents at places we pass by regularly is fascinating: for example, an  incident that likely was very important in the later King Philip's war took place at Monponsett Pond in Halifax.

This history probably isn't what you learned in school.  The Pilgrims and Puritans were intolerant and very nasty folk, not anyone most of us would like (unless you are a modern day version, of course). Philbrick isn't out to romanticize the Indians; they had their own
problems of greed and inter-tribal dissension that only added to the mess, but overall I come away liking their moral views a lot more than I liked our forefathers'.  One of my distant forbears happens to have been Elder Brewster, and I honestly can't say I feel any pride in that regard - he and I would NOT get along at all :-)

Anyway, good read, I recommend it.

Tony Lawrence

Response:

One of these days (when) the casino comes and the library is fully 
funded I expect they will increase their collection to include all 
the books about the Wampanoag and Pilgrims.
The library has two copies of "Mayflower" and I understand that  Middleboro is mentioned in it.


The library has just ordered and received every current book on Indian casinos and they are 
being processed this week and should be in circulation next week.
 

This is your library working for you. Let's all remember that it is operating on a bit less than a reduced budget of 10% this year and that unless the resort casino brings an infusion of cash to the coffers of Middleboro the library and other quality of life services will continue to be cut.
 


6/21/07

I just wanted to say I was born here in 1971 and we moved away (only one town). I am now back. I have been here for the last 7 years. I think we need some excitement around this "one horse town". There is nothing to do for miles that we haven't done 100 times!!! I would rather drive 5 min. Instead of 2 hours and I'd rather spend my hard earned money in my own town than spend it in another state!!!!

I hope this happens!!!!!!!!

Thank you,
Wendy

6/21/07

Route 24 is the road I have to use to get to and from work every work day. (Fall River to Canton). I have been making this circuit for 10 years now and there really aren’t any practical alternative routes.

Rt24, in my opinion, handles a maximum capacity right now. I have found the Rt. 44 exit area, in both directions, to be a bottleneck area at least once a week. Although it is not the worse part of the highway for traffic problems, (that distinction goes to the rt495 and exit 18 areas), I still fear that the additional traffic the casino would create will really tick me off on a regular basis.

I am not looking forward to deal with the merging pissed-off drunks in the morning and the drop off for a “few pulls and hands crowd” in the evening. I go to Foxwoods occasionally so I am not totally against casinos, but unlike Middleboro, Foxwoods is isolated and have many more access roads, not to mention rt 95 is a much more robust corridor.

 My questions are:

  1. Will there be additional exits added to rt 24?
  2. Will rt 24 be improved?
  3. Will police step up efforts to crack down on drunk driving in the area?
  4. Will my wife feed me anymore after getting home “casino traffic cranky”

 How I vote if and when the issue reaches the state wide ballots, may be determined by the answers to the above questions.

Regards,

Ed Schill

Response: We can't answer your first three questions, but we suggest you submit them to the Casino Study Committee on the attached form. Committee member Eric Cederholm is going to be looking into the traffic impact of a casino. You can drop these off at Town Hall or the Library. Our resident shrink (me) can discuss your fourth concern with your wife, and I'd be happy to do so waiving my usual outrageous fee as appreciate for the rare bit of humor  during this controversy.


6/20/07

To Casino-Friend:

I'll probably be able to see this thing from my front yard, but I'm
all in favor of this.

First, the tribe deserves it.

Second. the town needs the money.  The deal is fair, let's do it.

--
Tony Lawrence


6/20/07

To Casino-Friend:

My husband and I are definitely in favor of the casino proposed here in Middleborough. We believe the proposed site is large enough to accommodate a nice buffer zone and the needed road adaptations. The town needs the money. How can we turn down a proposal that will more than double the tax revenues now received from commercial taxes which are currently a little more than 3 million?

Sincerely,

Russell and Tryphena Vallancourt
Middleborough MA

6/19/07

Hi

I am totally for the Casino. I think it would be a huge BENEFIT for the town. I really hope the tribe has a little patience for the contract to be hammered out.

My question is what is the "time line" for the selectman to accept, reject or counter offer?

Donna Asbury
Middleboro Voter

Response: The time line as far as the Mashpee Wampanoag is unknown to us, although they have made it clear that they want the decision to be made in a matter of weeks, not months.


6/17/07

To Casino-Friend:  

I have been present at every town meeting regarding the Casino.

Mr. Witten stated at the very 1st meeting that there is little the town can do to stop this Casino from coming to Middleboro, therefore START negotiating.  The opponents have failed to listen.  The Mashpee Wompanoags can come into this town with level two games with mega pots that will still draw into our town 50,000 cars 24/7 WITHOUT having to do any road upgrades!!   Also WITHOUT any increase in police or fire personel. I guarantee you there will be another request for an override within the next two years, and every two years there after.  

Yes. we need a business in town that will generate income for the town.  I DON'T frown at 7 million dollars a year with another 8 million a year generated from the slot machines.  This agreement is renegotiable within a determined window allowing for an increase of dollars for the town, but this agreement states the dollars can NEVER go below 7 million.

Some of the " letters to the editors" FEAR the influx of "those" people who will move into town and change the character of this loving and warm community.  They fear this town will become another Brockton, New Bedford, etc.  Has anyone read the weekly police logs lately?  Crime is here and it is not being committed by "those" people.

I understand and feel for those who will live in close proximity to the Casino. I also understand that the Wompanoags cannot buy out everyone.  I know that with this change you cannot and never will please at least 5 percent of the town's residents.

The request to recall the selectmen is a topic in itself.  What will prevent these selectmen from signing this agreement NOW knowing they have nothing to lose.  All it takes is a majority vote.  This is all I will state at this time. 

I AM FOR THIS CASINO.

Diane Bassett


6/15/07

To Casino Friend:

I hope the Casino Plans include a grant to SRPEDD to study the  continuing regional impact with the possibility of some form of  compensation to the neighboring communities that will have impacts  and no income. A project this large is a regional phenomenon. I am a  past chairman of SRPEDD and live on a feeder road to Middleboro  so  I'm particularly sensitive to this issue.

Karl Ekland


6/14/07

To Casino-Friend:

I and my family are totally in favor of the casino being built in Middleboro. I have lived in Middleboro since 1977 and I think it will be a great asset to the community and to the state and the people who live here. 

 
Thank you,

Kathy Dillon


6/14/07

To Casino-Friend:

Yeah!!!! Show me the $$$! Bring it on in Natives! Those old-fashioned, stubborn Middleborough people don't know what kind of opportunity they have. Do ya think they really wanted to live in Cranberryville for the rest of their lives?! Not to mention that we owe this to those Natives for what we did to them and what we took from them years ago. Wow, all I can say is that if my town had this kind of opportunity, you'd see me and my friends helping to pave new roads!!! This IS THE UNITED STATES, after all. Tell those old-fashioned folks to move to Europe or Canada.

Joe Mac


6/13/07

Letter removed at request of author. Our letter policy has changed. As of this date once posted a letter will not be removed except under extraordinary circumstances.

Joseph Falconeiri
Beacon Street
Boston, MA 02166


6/12/07

To Casino-Friend:

Wow. I am so shocked at how quickly our selectmen are working to finalize this casino issue. I didn't buy my house this quickly! Whether for or against a casino, I don't think moving this quickly is a good thing for our town.

We can do better financially if we and our selectmen become more educated in the decisions that they are embarking upon. Isn't that why our town got a group of citizens together to analyze the pros and cons of a casino? Does their assessment no longer matter?

Why then did our moderator organize such a group - just to pacify us? 

I can definitely state that I am less thrilled with our choices for selectmen based on how they are going about their decisions. I am starting to agree with the opponents of this casino and the opponents of our selectmen.  Whether for or against a casino at this stage of the game, Middleboro is losing out financially. 7 million is a drop in the bucket. We could do way better than that.

Suzanne Swarze


Response:

6/12/07

To Casino Friend:

My husband and I are in favor of a casino, I have lived in this town all my life and not far from the proposed casino.  I think that the people that are in favor of this casino must speak out because the only news we are getting are the people that are opposed and they do not speak for my husband and me. I have talked to many of the residents in this town and they are in favor of the casino complex but do not feel the need to get out and hold a sign.  Anyone who says they don't want the town to change is too late, it changed when the commuter rail came to town.  It is not the same town that I was brought up in (also my mother was born in this town, so that really makes me a native) but that is life, life changes and this change will be good for everyone.  Arlene & Don Dickens

Response:

Please let your friends who support a casino know it is important to make their presence known. Coming to the Selectman's Meeting Wednesday, 7PM at the High School, would be a good start.

Let them know we have free bumper stickers too.

We hope that after all is said and done, even those who fought against a casino come to the realization that, as you write "that is life, life changes and this change will be good for everyone."


6/10/07

To Casino-Friend.com:

 Thank you for a wonderful site that is very informative and I wish you well in this venture.  I have one question that has been asked of me, as a sitting Middleborough School Board Member......

What will the town receive back in lieu of taxes payment....towards essential town services?...

You mentioned the Middleborough Police....yes, security is a major concern but also, The Middleborough Fire Dept, the ambulance service, and the schools. I don't have to tell you or your committee how hard it is for the Middleborough Schools to continue to offer a great education to the current school age population of this town.....approx. 3700 students.

If this Casino is built along with it will come the tribal leaders&  workers of the Casino, who will most likely purchase homes or rent in this area. We as a town will have to educate those children and I'd like to see some type of promise to pay towards our local school system, NOT just towards general government services.

We are a budget to ourselves in this town and need to be heard with this Casino proposal, as well as general govt. depts.

Thank you again for this chance to ask this important question.

Sincerely,
Jeannie Martin,
Member of the  Middleborough School Committee

Response:

Dear Ms. Martin:

Thank you for your  question. We are a group of three residents, Joe Frietas, Hal Brown and Kathy Ryan, who put together this website. We not a "board". We can't answer your question about what the town will receive in lieu of taxes to fund the increased demand on service. This is because this question involves what is worked out in negotiations between the leaders of the Mashpee Wampanoag and Middleborough officials.

I think it is reasonable to assume that Dr. Sullivan and the Middleborough School Committee will be working closely with all town officials as the negotiations with the tribe progresses.   As you are acutely aware, as the number of children in our schools increased with the new homes constructed over the past few years, Middleborough's existing tax base couldn't handle increased school spending and increases in other budget items. In short, what led to our current fiscal crisis is that we couldn't grow, let alone maintain, existing town services without an override or some other "rabbit out of the hat" windfall.  

The prospect of an increase in population due to the casino means that more demands will be put on the schools, as well as other services and on the town infrastructure.   That is why the Board of Selectmen must negotiate a legal agreement with the Mashpee Wampanoag which not only makes up for the taxes they won't be paying, but is substantially in excess of what they would have to pay if they weren't tax exempt.
 

We believe that a casino is a unique addition to a town like ours, not just because it is a $100 million business, but it brings such a variety of potential problems. To be good neighbors they have to contribute their fair share to the town coffers.
 

We have unofficially talked to some of the leaders of then tribe and believe that they are the antithesis of the greedy entrepreneurs a number of our residents claim they are, though they surely are entrepreneurs.  Obviously they want the best for the members of their tribe, and their investors. But we wouldn't have started this website unless we believed they also wanted the best for Middleborough.  


Not all of our residents understand the reverence the Mashpee Wampanoag have for the very land their ancestors inhabited and where thousands of them are buried.

 

6/10/07

To Casino-Friend.com:

Ever wonder why a casino may be built in Middleboro and not on the Cape where the tourists are? 

 This is from the Selectmen's Minutes 09/29/06 for the town of Mashpee:

 “Motion made by Selectman Myers; In recognition of the discussions between the Town and the Tribal Council over the past few months, the merit of the pending petition for federal recognition and, in particular, the communication from the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribal Council dated September 28, 2006, specifically the Tribal resolution that it will not:

  1.  file land claims to land held in private hands in the Town of Mashpee and on Cape Cod.

  2.  build a casino in the Town of Mashpee or elsewhere on Cape Cod, when it achieves recognition, therefore I move that the Board vote not to submit comments to the U.S. Department of the Interior on or before the October 3rd filing deadline.”

 See: Mashpee Selectmen's Meeting

And Cape Cods Times article

Thank you,

Bob Dunphy

Question Authority. But always raise your hand first!

Response:

There are several practical considerations for not building a huge resort casino anywhere on  Cape Cod. First, it would draw so many customers that the two bridges couldn't handle the traffic, even off season. Consider that it isn't only a merge from a divided highway to a two way road that slows traffic. Traffic also backs up because cars traveling at 65 mph or more have to slow down to 50 mph  on the bridges. Of course, the Bourne Bridge still has a rotary on the Cape side, and that's a direct route to Mashpee from points south and west.

Add to all the above that in the summer weekend back-ups of traffic to and from the Cape are notorious and the Route 3 fly-over hasn't worked as well as expected. Think of what they'd be like with a casino.
 

In addition, Cape Cod is further from the population centers of Boston and Providence, where we think the tribe anticipates many of their customers will come from.

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